
Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Just understand what is going on there. Everything runs to the tank. Solids sink and the top skim liquid seeps out the top end into a pipe into the leach field. The solids sit, rot, and turn to liquid via bacteria enzymes heat and whatever else and also seep out into the leech field. Too many people think that its a box that needs pumped out when it fills up with solids. Keep it healthy and let it digest your solids. (not everyone realizes the outside pressure that can be pushing in on an older box either when you pump it out. It can collapse in on itself when you empty it so its not all roses and fertilizer in pumping it out a bunch either.) Now figure in that your dishwasher, washing machine, and shower run into it too most likely. i.e. soaps, detergents, bleach, fabric softner, water softner discharge etc… Not the best food for bacteria, enzymes, and whatever else. Ideally you’d have a dedicated leech lines for those drain items directly and keep them out of your tank and toilet waste solids but 99 out of 100 don’t so your no diff than anyone else. So… depending the ratios what your putting into the tank you may need to feed the bacteria or not. Yeast and etc. That is what Rid-X does. We never used anything like it and get our tank pumped every few years or so. As a kid on the home place we never even did that. Didn’t really say either way I guess but I hope that helps. p.s. tell your wife to use the trash can and that you can’t be flushing that stuff. It doesn’t break down. Or… adjust your pump out schedule accordingly. See, it just depends on what you are putting into it.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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NO inspecting agency (city, county, state, tribal, or federal) agency that works with septic systems recommends this stuff. But, the law says they cant condemn it as not working, or as a waste of your money, unless they can prove it doesnt work. And since none have done any testing to prove its a waste of your money or false advertising, they simply dont. Im sure its full of enzymes. But the first flush you make puts zillions of bacteria to work in your septic system. And enzymes, and viruses etc. A quart sized box of unproven stuff may work just fine. But so does pumping out the solids every year or so. Its the solids forming a sludge layer on top of the liquid that ends up clogging ones drainfield if you dont. Bottom line: there is no scientific proof one way or another these products actually do what the advertising hype says they do. So it is up to you and your wallet to believe what you think works and act accordingly.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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I found this:
How to Remain Additive-Free
So what can you do to keep your septic system working property without the
use of additives while minimizing costs? Here are some tips:
Use less water! Repair leaks and install new, water efficient toilets, faucets,
and showerheads whenever possible. Run the washer and dishwasher
only with full loads. This saves money on water and energy bills as well as
prolonging the life of the septic system.
Keep toxic chemicals from going down the drain. Properly dispose of
solvents, paint, varnish, oil, and pesticides at the local garbage transfer
station, or look in the Recycling Directory from Clark County Solid Waste for an appropriate location. (
http://www.clark.
wa.gov/recycle/documents/Publications/DirectoryforWeb.pdf)
Keep solids out. Cigarettes, left over medications, feminine hygiene products, paper towels, tissues, kitty litter, and other
solid items should go into the trash, not your septic system. Left over medications could kill bacteria in your tank.
Keep grease and fat out of your kitchen drain.
Limit use of garbage disposal. Using a garbage disposal increases the amount of water and solids into your septic tank,
requiring more frequent pumping.
Space clothes washing throughout the week. This avoids overloading the system over a short time period.
Divert runoff and drainage water. Never drain swimming pools or hot tubs onto your septic system or drainfield.
Downspouts and roof runoff should be directed away from your drainfield to limit
water input to the system.
No additive compensates for poor design, regular maintenance and inspection, and
pumping every three to five years. Additives claiming to eliminate the need for
pumping usually re-suspend solids, moving them to the drainfield, thus clogging lines
and leading to system failure. Even well-designed septic systems need to be replaced
eventually, anywhere between 20 and 30 years depending on use. Safe additives will
likely be ineffective, while an effective additive will likely be unsafe to use.
Money spent on additives would better be spent pumping your septic tank every three
to five years. Research and experience demonstrate regular inspection and
maintenance of properly designed and installed septic systems prevent
failure and extend system life.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Pumping septic systems every three to five years is highly recommended by companies that make money pumping septic systems. Good systems working properly should not need to be pumped.
Agreed. County zoning here requires pumping and inspection every 3 years regardless of usage.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Its the solids forming a sludge layer on top of the liquid that ends up clogging ones drainfield if you dont.
This is incorrect. Lighter-than-water organic solid materials float on the surface and form a layer of what is commonly called scum. Bacteria in the septic tank biologically convert this material to liquid. Inorganic or inert solid materials and the by-products of bacterial digestion sink to the bottom of the tank and form a layer commonly known as sludge.
The layer in the middle; the effluent, is what drains out via gravity to a distribution box (in ground system) or pump tank (elevated system).
Nearly all septic tanks installed over the last fifty years have baffles in them, either ABS or PVC piping as illustrated in the diagram below or precast into the concrete tank. These baffles prevent the scum layer from leaving the tank.
The only time anything other than effluent leaves the tank is when the sludge layer gets too high. That is why tanks need pumped every so often. How often depends on the volume of sewage that goes into the tank and the health of the bacterial community inside the tank.

My opinion on Rid-X is that it’s a waste of money. If you avoid putting harsh chemicals into your septic system you should have a healthy bacterial community in the tank and drain field. If you’re introducing chemicals that are killing the bacteria, Rid-X isn’t going to help, the bacteria and enzymes contained in that product will also be killed.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Pumping septic systems every three to five years is highly recommended by companies that make money pumping septic systems. Good systems working properly should not need to be pumped.
I agree with this.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Even well-designed septic systems need to be replaced eventually, anywhere between 20 and 30 years depending on use.
I completely disagree with this. A properly installed in-ground system should last indefinitely.
Money spent on additives would better be spent pumping your septic tank every three to five years. Research and experience demonstrate regular inspection and maintenance of properly designed and installed septic systems prevent failure and extend system life.
I agree that additives are a waste of money but disagree with that pumping schedule.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Beer or two a month will help bateria growth….. So an old fella told me. I still don’t do it as it’s not something I think about I was having to pump my system every two years but three years ago I collapsed the dry well and put a new 300 gallon dry well in with a small drain field past it. Havnt had any issues since but it’s only been a few years
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Pumping septic systems every three to five years is highly recommended by companies that make money pumping septic systems. Good systems working properly should not need to be pumped.
Agreed. County zoning here requires pumping and inspection every 3 years regardless of usage.
This may not be completely true? In Rock county, which I used to live. You did not have to pump. only inspection by certified master plumber and licensed septic installer (every 3 years) is required. Although youre not doing yourself any favors by not having the pumping included.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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I took the 3-day installers class about 10 years ago in MN. (Did it for the continuing educational credits but not to become an installer). Our instructor said 5-8 years was the average. A lot will depend on soils, load, keeping the kids friends from driving over the drain field and so on. That house in the country that housed the elderly couple for 20 years is probably going to experience a failure within a couple months of the new family with 3 teenagers moving in. Loading makes a difference. Onsite systems arent designed to last indefinitely.
Well I guess if you took a three-day course ten years ago you must know what you’re talking about…
Do you have any idea how many homes have simple two-line systems that were installed fifty or sixty years ago and are still operating fine? Hundreds of thousands would be a good estimate. Like I said above, as long as the system was properly installed; drain lines level from end to end in a 12″ crushed stone bed, lines leaving the D-box at the same elevation so an equal amount of effluent flows into each line/drain field, etc., there is no reason why your system shouldn’t last indefinitely.
My own two-line system was installed in 1969. It was used by an elderly couple until 1989 when I bought the place. I raised three girls since then and had the tank pumped once in that time. Everything is still working as designed.
I check the sludge level every year and it remains at one to two feet thick. I attribute that to the fact that we don’t flush any harsh chemicals.
I installed septic systems exclusively for about ten years and now only do them occasionally. But what do I know…
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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I took the 3-day installers class about 10 years ago in MN. (Did it for the continuing educational credits but not to become an installer). Our instructor said 5-8 years was the average. A lot will depend on soils, load, keeping the kids friends from driving over the drain field and so on. That house in the country that housed the elderly couple for 20 years is probably going to experience a failure within a couple months of the new family with 3 teenagers moving in. Loading makes a difference. Onsite systems arent designed to last indefinitely.
Well I guess if you took a three-day course ten years ago you must know what you’re talking about…
Do you have any idea how many homes have simple two-line systems that were installed fifty or sixty years ago and are still operating fine? Hundreds of thousands would be a good estimate. Like I said above, as long as the system was properly installed; drain lines level from end to end in a 12″ crushed stone bed, lines leaving the D-box at the same elevation so an equal amount of effluent flows into each line/drain field, etc., there is no reason why your system shouldn’t last indefinitely.
My own two-line system was installed in 1969. It was used to an elderly couple until 1989 when I bought the place. I raised three girls since then and had the tank pumped once in that time. Everything is still working as designed.
I check the sludge level every year and it remains at one to two feet thick. I attribute that to the fact that we don’t flush any harsh chemicals.
I installed septic systems exclusively for about ten years and now only do them occasionally. But what do I know…
I agree lugnut. If a system only lasted 5-8 years, I would be calling the installation company and having a few words. Sounds like this 3 day class was put on by someone in the business of installing and pumping septic systems.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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murder any guests who flush weird stuff
Will it mess with the system if you flush their bodies?

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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Not if you cut them up small enough.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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I sprinkle some in the basement of my cabin outhouse, and it seems to help.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Pumping septic systems every three to five years is highly recommended by companies that make money pumping septic systems. Good systems working properly should not need to be pumped.
Agreed. County zoning here requires pumping and inspection every 3 years regardless of usage.
What is the reasoning behind this mandatory pumping ?
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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NEVER USE RID-X!!! That is an enzyme similar to yeast. What that will do is start to aggressively attack the solids. In doing so, it will stir the solids up and they will make it to the leach field and clog it. (for lack of a better analogy), it’s like fermenting wine or beer. When you first start the process and the yeast isn’t dead, you can see the solids going up and down in the liquid. Same with a septic tank but those solids will make it to the leach field since it will make it to and through the baffle. Your waste has plenty of the correct bacteria in it to digest waste in a septic tank. One gram of human waste has over 1 million bacteria in it. As long as you keep pooping, your septic tank will do fine. It will even recover from harsh chemicals such as toilet bowl cleaner. The most important thing to do with a septic system is to have the tank pumped every few years, (depending on the size of your tank and family) and keep the pipes free of tree roots if you have an old system with terracotta pipe.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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NEVER USE RID-X!!! That is an enzyme similar to yeast. What that will do is start to aggressively attack the solids. In doing so, it will stir the solids up and they will make it to the leach field and clog it. (for lack of a better analogy), it’s like fermenting wine or beer. When you first start the process and the yeast isn’t dead, you can see the solids going up and down in the liquid. Same with a septic tank but those solids will make it to the leach field since it will make it to and through the baffle. Your waste has plenty of the correct bacteria in it to digest waste in a septic tank. One gram of human waste has over 1 million bacteria in it. As long as you keep pooping, your septic tank will do fine. It will even recover from harsh chemicals such as toilet bowl cleaner. The most important thing to do with a septic system is to have the tank pumped every few years, (depending on the size of your tank and family) and keep the pipes free of tree roots if you have an old system with terracotta pipe.
How far away should trees be with modern plastic pipes ? I just planted some spruce and white pine about 50 to 75 yardfs from drain field ?
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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NEVER USE RID-X!!! That is an enzyme similar to yeast. What that will do is start to aggressively attack the solids. In doing so, it will stir the solids up and they will make it to the leach field and clog it. (for lack of a better analogy), it’s like fermenting wine or beer. When you first start the process and the yeast isn’t dead, you can see the solids going up and down in the liquid. Same with a septic tank but those solids will make it to the leach field since it will make it to and through the baffle. Your waste has plenty of the correct bacteria in it to digest waste in a septic tank. One gram of human waste has over 1 million bacteria in it. As long as you keep pooping, your septic tank will do fine. It will even recover from harsh chemicals such as toilet bowl cleaner. The most important thing to do with a septic system is to have the tank pumped every few years, (depending on the size of your tank and family) and keep the pipes free of tree roots if you have an old system with terracotta pipe.
How far away should trees be with modern plastic pipes ? I just planted some spruce and white pine about 50 to 75 yardfs from drain field ?
They should be plenty far away from your field. Typically a tree has roots as long as the tree is tall. Roots won’t get into modern ABS/PVC pipe so it’s not an issue. You don’t really want trees close to the leach field though.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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I wrote that I took a class on septic system installation, inspection and monitoring because I wanted to give the impression I had some education along with owning a septic system. It is abundantly apparent education in the field is not as important on Tman as experience. That being said, Ive witnessed countless septic systems that were failing but located away from homes. It was usually the case of out of sight meant out of mind and people had no idea that their systems were failing cuz they couldnt see or smell them. Several years ago, I reviewed a study of a sanitary district where septic systems were dyed. As I recall, close to 40% were failing because the dye was seeping out near the lakeshore. And most of these property owners didnt have a clue their systems were failing. Then there were the little subdivisions where houses were situated on small, city sized lots. Well in the front yard, septic system in the back. All went well until septic systems started failing. The setback (from neighboring wells) didnt allow new septic systems to be installed. And when it came time to sell those houses, banks wouldnt approve loans because of the failing systems. Today in Minnesota, housing lots not served by municipal sewage systems have a minimum size, which I believe is over an acre. I do recall some counties/townships requiring more. Most of this is so you have somewhere to put replacement septic systems when yours fails.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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LOL you self proclaimed “turdnators” crack me up.( not all that posted ) First of all I have to take a class EVERY year on wastewater treatment for package plants and septic systems. So let me add what “LIFETIME” operators (not college kids) have proven over the years. A healthy septic will not even be noticed. RID-X works. It just adds more bacteria and enzymes that boost the natural bacteria that comes from human waste. The bacteria will feed on ANY food scraps or BOD’s added to the tank from the house or building. BOD (biological oxygen demand basically feed the bac. A septic system because it is not normally aerated has a different breakdown than waste water plants. Anaerobic bacteria (not requiring free oxygen) processes the waste. The key is to keep a healthy balance of bac in the system. BLEACH KILLS !!! Drano kills!! Rid -x helps with replenishing after a shock hits the tank. Anything sweet helps the bac to grow but sometimes it will need a boost. An even better product can be bought on-line the is a small gelatin pack with over a billion bacteria that become active after it is flushed. We used it for years in the school system I retired from. They also make one that eats grease !!!! As for pumping if you have no flooding, toxic kill inside the tank ,or some knuckle head driving over and collapsing the pipes, pumping every 10-15 years is quite common. The screen on the end of the pipe leaving the tank is a problem waiting to happen. Baffles are installed now to stop that.
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Re: RID-X for septic tanks, what’s the verdict ?
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Been selling real estate for 40+ years. Talked to many installers and pumpers. All say “Do not put RID-X into your septic” as it will eat up the tank and baffles. If you can not sleep at night with out putting something in one a month, put yeast. TrapperKent
LOL really break down a septic tank? The old metal ones will fail because of the biological process going on inside of them and the ammonia from urine. Not to mention just plain ole rust after 20- 30 years. MOST tanks around here are concrete so that won’t happen. Rid -X does contain beneficial enzymes .. PERIOD. Can you have a healthy septic with out it . Absolutely. Will it boost your efficiency ? You bet. It is designed to help break down todays products AS WELL as the human waste. Face it people use drain opener. Women bleach whites. Pour bleach down the smelly drain. It does what it is designed to do . Like I mentioned just google septic additives there are several and they work !!!
http://www.rid-x.com/why-rid-x/septic-system-maintenance-with-rid-x/
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